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Submitted by Jason on Wed, 24/09/2008 - 14:33

As said PR supports HOPI which supports a nuclear-free Middle East as we clearly said in the article published on the site from which no one (in PR) has demurred. It is certainly possible that someone from PR argued "that semi-colonial states have a right to nuclear weapons, if they so wish, in order to defend themselves against imperialism (but lost the vote). "

I was not at that meeting. However, I wouldn't agree withputting it like this. In a war between the US and Iran we'd certainly support Iran- i.e. the organised working class in iran fighting against imperialist occupation.

I answered your question in ample detail, Daniel about what advice I'd offer a socialist or putative pR group in iran. I reproduce it here for your benefit:
"I think the main thing before giving advice would be to find out how we can support them, what practical steps of solidarity we could take- arranging funds, publicising cases, etc. However, we would also want to engage in dialogue and offer advice after making it clear that we are not the ones in the thick of it or having to make life and death decisions.

I suppose it would be to get involved in the workers' strikes as much as practicable, take up every sectional demand for wage increases, democracy, for workers' rights and raise the need for collective organisation and self-defence.

We would be for no political support to the mullahs, for an independent working class party, to say that the claims of Ahmedenijad to anti-imperialism are fake claims and that any workers or democrats who genuinely oppose imperialism cannot depend on any genuine defence from this bunch of crooks.

We would be for the complete separation of faith and state, for complete equality between the sexes, against restrictive dress codes, for democracy, including the right to distribute political and anti-religious literature, for the rights of oppressed groups such as the KURDS to self-determination.

I think matters of survival would be paramount and such an organisation would certainly have to operate clandestinely and seek out allies in more mainstream struggles such as over wages, student democracy, against targeting of worker trade unionists etc. All this is perhaps obvious and not necessarily of great value to Iranian militants who no doubt know these things- putting them into practice is a very different and difficult matter of course."

And yet you pretend I didn't answer the question. You say "I reiterate my direct question, which you failed to answer:

"if you believe (as we do) that the Iranian bourgeoisie really doesn't have any anti-imperialist character whatsoever, how precisely would a hypothetical PR section in Iran go about forming this mystical "anti-imperialist united front" with their bosses, exploiters and oppressors?"

But I did very clearly answer this- "no political support to the mullahs, for an independent working class party, to say that the claims of Ahmedenijad to anti-imperialism are fake claims and that any workers or democrats who genuinely oppose imperialism cannot depend on any genuine defence from this bunch of crooks"

Perhaps you don't agree with this answer or you somehow possessing psychic ability think I am lying about what I think but, even for non-psychics, it is clearly the case that I did answer your question.

To Martin- I never denied the strong likelihood that some ruling classes have strong religious beliefs- it is though interesting how these beliefs never challenge the rule of the rich and are malleable to suit their own class interests. This isn't necessarily a cynical and knowing ploy but has evolved over centuries I'd suggest. I am also not claiming that it is impossible or even unlikely that Iran may want to develop nuclear weapons. The imperialist lie routinely about things- it doesn't mean that there isn't a grain of truth in what they say.

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